Skip to Content
Embyrs | Community
  • Home
  • Ordisyn
  • Community
  • Books
  • Music
  • Shop
  • Events
  • About
  • Blog
  • 0
  • 0
  • Sign in
  • Contact Us


Embyrs | Community
  • 0
  • 0
    • Home
    • Ordisyn
    • Community
    • Books
    • Music
    • Shop
    • Events
    • About
    • Blog
  • Sign in
  • Contact Us


Welcome to The Foundation

I wrote Dismantling Religion because truth does not need protection from questions. You do not have to agree with the claims in this forum. You do need to test them. Each discussion takes one inherited Christian assumption, puts Scripture, history, language, and lived experience on the table, and asks what follows if the evidence points somewhere unexpected.

Read critically. Bring counterevidence. Tell us where the argument holds—and where it does not.

You need to be registered to interact with the community.
All Posts People Badges
About this forum
You need to be registered to interact with the community.
All Posts People Badges
About this forum
The Foundation

Outer Darkness Is Self-Chosen and Temporary, Not Eternal Torment

Subscribe

Get notified when there's activity on this post

This question has been flagged
107 Views
Avatar
CDrake

When Jesus spoke of ‘outer darkness,’ was He describing a torture chamber God locks forever—or the condition of someone who cannot yet bear the light? His banquet images speak of distance, grief, shame, and exclusion from joy. John gives us the mechanism of judgment: light comes, and people love darkness because they do not want to be seen. Near-death accounts repeatedly describe that darkness as self-sustained and left through surrender, love, or turning toward the light. Then Revelation adds the detail religion rarely preaches: the gates of the New Jerusalem never close. Outer darkness is real, but an open gate means it cannot honestly be called God’s eternal prison.

Before we walk through it: Name the assumption you brought with you. Then test whether the evidence lets you keep it.

The Argument

  • Jesus' 'outer darkness' banquet imagery describes the tragedy of stepping away from God's invitation — self-exile, not divine punishment; the Greek terms soften the edges ('cast out' = 'sent away/d...
  • NDE accounts from multiple researchers (Greyson, Evans Bush, Ring, van Lommel, Rawlings) consistently show darkness is self-sustained, not externally enforced; people leave it through internal shif...
  • The gradient-of-light model: heaven is concentric circles radiating from God; those in outer darkness stand at the far edge by choice, and the open gates (Rev 21:25) mean the invitation never ends ...

Key Scriptures

  • Matthew 8:12
  • Matthew 22:13
  • Matthew 25:30
  • John 3:19
  • Revelation 21:25

Over to You

If the gates never close, what scriptural mechanism makes separation irreversible—and how would justice differ from endless abandonment?

From Dismantling Religion by Chris Drake — Chapter 10: After Death

0
Avatar
Discard
Enjoying the discussion? Don't just read, join in!

Create an account today to enjoy exclusive features and engage with our awesome community!

Sign up

Embyrs

We are looking to change the world one life at a time.  Keep up to date and sign up on our Patreon to keep in the loop.  

We look forward to connecting!

Sign Up On Patreon

Embyrs 
Coeur d'Alene ID 83815 
United States

  • info@embyrs.com
Copyright © Company name
Powered by Odoo - The #1 Open Source eCommerce